> billohno said on
12-11-2009 at
23:58:
I can't get enough of this song. I shared on FB in hopes that but one heart may be touched. Thank you, Father, for the Savior, the one and only way to salvation through the choice Jesus gave us when he bled for us. May each of us repent, place our trust in Jesus alone, and honor and serve Him now and forever. O, transformed hearts!
> tait5130 said on
12-11-2009 at
21:04:
time and again you see that when judgement had to happen, there were opportunities for people to experience mercy. even job...though he was faithful and upright...he was not sinless ergo he owed a life sentence. He endured very bad things, but God was still merciful because Job remained faithful. The problem is because God gave us free will and didn't just make us all robots that automatically follow HIm, we choose an action, and must deal with the resultant reaction whatever that looks like..
> tait5130 said on
12-11-2009 at
20:55:
Satan wanted to attack him to show God that Job was not as faithful as God thought he was...at the end of the day, Job was just that. faithful. It's laid out pretty plainly when you read the last chapter of Job. For all the good in the world, there is evil because this world is broken...however God has provided opportunity for mercy...just like the Egyptians had opportunity to be spared (I know you have referenced that previoiusly) the victims of the flood had hundreds of years warning....
> tait5130 said on
12-11-2009 at
20:52:
How much mentoring needs to happen for one simple rule...don't eat this fruit or death will be the ultimate result. Ultimately it comes down to this, you feel like God and satan are in cahoots because there is evil in the world. Throughout the scripture the actions and thoughts of the devil are odds with the actions and thoughts of God, there isn't any validating evidence to support this conspiracy theory. God told them not to eat, satan told them to eat, God blessed job......
> elvismilk said on
12-11-2009 at
20:43:
Little reason to question, but all the reason for God to plant a tempting tree? Blind restrictions, not "because I say so", are groundless to a child, God mentored no one, and ran his children over with his car, no lesson learned, period. We would all forsake the fruit knowing what the result would be, Eve was blamelessly ignorant.
> elvismilk said on
12-11-2009 at
20:39:
On that same note, besides a story about a teenage Jesus staying behind to question the priestly leaders while his parents traveled onward, there is no documentation of Jesus's spiritual life prior to his three year journey to the cross. And we all know how angry God became after that event, HELL was invented.
> tait5130 said on
12-11-2009 at
17:01:
again, looking at context and original text Job was complete morally. i.e. when someone is referred to as righteous in God's sight that doesn't imply that the person is sinless, but that they have made proper atonement for sins. There's no documentation of Jobs spiritual life prior to this story, so it's a bit of conjecture to say that he never contended with his sin since the story begins when satan wants to test Job. At the end we actually don't see Job as angry and bitter toward God.
> tait5130 said on
12-11-2009 at
16:45:
I doubt that Eve was an imbecile who had absolutely no comprehension of boundaries. They had one restriction in the whole Garden of Eden...don't eat from this one tree. Regardless of comprehending why, that is still a pretty straightforward command. Based on the relationship that Adam and Eve had with God as articulated in scripture, there was little reason for them to question why God would put that one restriction on them.
> elvismilk said on
12-11-2009 at
15:32:
In other words no different than Satan. None, whatsoever. What's absurd in Eden? Eve had no way to understand the word "die" she had no idea of what God was, she had no idea of what knowledge was. I can go on and on and on..
> elvismilk said on
12-11-2009 at
15:30:
Job 1:1 blameless and upright and shunned evil NIV, perfect and upright and shunned evil KJV, whole-hearted and upright and shunned evil Masoretic Text, Job was sinless, he only questioned his sin, and God's justice when his fortunes turned. In other words, Job was saying what's up God? If you pick on a guy like me, then........
> tait5130 said on
12-11-2009 at
04:28:
my bad, this post was more in reference to Job being sinless not who God need approval from. I missed that initially. To get what perfect means look at original text. The Hebrew for perfect is transliterated tam meaning complete. Essentially this means about the same thing as when the bible says someone was righteous in God's sight....not that they were sinless, but they have either made proper sacrifices or confessed sin making them complete. They did what was necessary to atone for that time.
> tait5130 said on
12-11-2009 at
04:08:
Nope, serious as a heart attack, Job recognized that he did not understand what was happening, and that he was born naked, and he will take nothing with him, the Lord Gives and the Lord takes away.(Jobs words not mine) It could be argued that God is merciful to Job. After all, because everyone has sinned and the wages of sin is death, the only thing that God owes Job is death because a just and faithful man doesn't equal perfect. Eve?...what's absurd about their singular restriction in Eden?
> elvismilk said on
12-11-2009 at
03:16:
In other words, Eve could never understand God's absurd command, "Don't eat or you will die", pure rubbish.
> constigirlS16 said on
12-11-2009 at
03:16:
wow, this song has a lot of meaning packed into so few words and it makes sense... i luv it :) (so does my mom:)
> elvismilk said on
12-11-2009 at
03:15:
Are you kidding, Job , hello read your vile Bible..........!
> tait5130 said on
12-11-2009 at
01:32:
Whose approval does God need that He needs an excuse? And who else was sinless?
> tait5130 said on
12-11-2009 at
01:27:
You are absolutely right, it's not the ultimate wisdom, according to scripture it's the beginning of wisdom. If we revise the part of the story where Satan admitted Job was God fearing we probably would not be having this discussion, but probably be talking about the suffering of human kind and probably Job's drastically different response to his suffering, however this component of the story provides an insight to some of the reactions that Job gives that actually is part of the story.
> elvismilk said on
12-11-2009 at
01:24:
If the God thing can create a universe full of intricate laws, it sure could have been clearer on scripture's meaning.
> elvismilk said on
12-11-2009 at
01:04:
Fearing God is nothing, and definitely not the ultimate wisdom theologians claim. If Satan didn't admit the God fearing Job part, the story would have been about sinless works of the heathen, justice for heretics, and where would the lesson be in that for believers?
> elvismilk said on
12-11-2009 at
00:45:
Why? Well for the same reason God went into the torture business with Satan, because without Satan, God has no excuses for his reasons. It all about excuses. Remember Jesus isn't the only person the Bible said was sinless.