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Video: John Piper - Homosexuality: God Gave Them Over
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Date: MiƩ 12-31-1969 18:00
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> lordboojum said on 12-03-2009 at 04:32:
Oh homosexuality is a sin. This from the same people who say mental illness is demon possession.

> winterphone said on 11-21-2009 at 01:20:
God loves you and wishes for you to repent of your sins and believe unto him. im sorry that you found me so worthy to mock and hate, but i have been naive. i thought i could explain and your eyes would be opened. you have been a hypocrite and dont even know it, you condemn me and judge me. you know nothing and God will reveal to you your faults one day, i forgive you and hope your saved.

> mkrulic517439 said on 11-20-2009 at 20:13:
"during true conversion" and if a person does not change behavior then they were not "truly" saved right?look, if all you want is to go to heaven then we can stop here. if you seek enlightenment then you will have to put in a little more effort than just responding w/ religious jargon

> mkrulic517439 said on 11-20-2009 at 20:11:
how bout jim and tammy fae baker? there are a whole string of tv evanglists that act in an immoral way. this is not to say they offend god but they offend fellow man. but I guess so long as youre goiing to heaven who cares right?

> mkrulic517439 said on 11-20-2009 at 20:08:
how exactly do I contradict myself? sorry logic is so forien to you but if you are a perfect creator then your creation must be perfect. how arrogant to think that you can judge god. you think that because you have made a public declaration of faith you have won favor w/ god. what arrogance. "and his action to overcome glorifies him...."I realize that english is not your native language but can you see that this makes no sense?

> winterphone said on 11-20-2009 at 19:29:
a person who gives to charity to appear pious has a wicked heart. God is not an idea, he is not zen. sin is without God and his action to overcome glorifies him.you take my words out of context and condemn many people. you dont even make sense "in order to believe what you believe you make this world into something less than it is, a perfect creation by a perfect creator. " i truly hope you did not just say you see this world as perfect. if yes, you contradict yourself and are a fool.

> winterphone said on 11-20-2009 at 18:20:
. those who are saved have no need of performing good works to enter into heaven, it is because of a change of spirit that they now give, because their eyes are open to what has been given to them, they are free to give to others in like kind.

> winterphone said on 11-20-2009 at 18:20:
thats really from the view of secularism. if christianity is true, than the person saved by grace has become a "new creature". they no longer work out of selfishness but out of love, that is also why those who have been saved are said in the bible to be free from the law, because of a savior, but also because the internal focus changes during true conversion, from self to God. the acts change from focusing on self( salvation through works) to love of others.

> mkrulic517439 said on 11-20-2009 at 18:01:
"doing any good work for the sake of doing good work is Godless" this is exactly wrong. doing from a sense of duty is selfless. see other post."because it is not the thing itself that glorifies God, it is his action concerning it."tell me how you seperate the thing from the action."im not saying its perfect"this is why your religion has failed you. in order to believe what you believe you make this world into something less than it is, a perfect creation by a perfect creator.

> mkrulic517439 said on 11-20-2009 at 17:56:
cont...little girl that he would loose custom. you see, its not just the act of giving it back but its where his heart is at. weather you are saved by grace or works you are expected to act in a way that is in line w/ the bibles teachings. saved by grace folk will say that if you cont sinning that you were never saved to begin w/. so the motovation to act according to what you think is gods will comes from a belief that if you dont you were not saved to begin w/. this taints ever act w/ self

> mkrulic517439 said on 11-20-2009 at 17:51:
I think you are missing what I am trying to say. I have found that all bad acts are selfish in nature. this is not to say that all selfish acts are bad. consider eating. now all exceptional acts have selflessness in common. let me use an example. say a store owner takes money from a little girl for some candy and she leaves w/o her chng. now if he keeps it thats bad, but what if he gives it back because he believes if word got out that he was the kind of person who would cheat a little cont...

> winterphone said on 11-20-2009 at 04:50:
. Hell is the judgement of God, but it is also the choice of the sinner. People choose hell over heaven because they would rather burn in fire than bow their knees for him. im not here to argue with you, but i would truly love to help explain anything i possibly can to help you. God bless

> winterphone said on 11-20-2009 at 04:49:
. its funny because someof the things you say are true but you still dont get it. it is absolutely correct saying that a person who lives their life doing good works trying to earn their way to heaven is selfish and acts only out of self perserverence. you cant earn salvation, its not a reward for doing good works, its a gift from a loving father who would see you saved from the sin that is INHERENT in you. people are sinful. it is more than what they do, its who they are.

> winterphone said on 11-20-2009 at 04:48:
God knows men differently then you. anyone who has truly been saved knows one thing, that nothing they do in themselves is good work. doing any good work for the sake of doing good work is Godless. if God works through you and fruits of righteousness are in your life, it is the work of the holy spirit, not the man. if you see the truth that YOU CAN NOT EARN your way into heaven, then instead of a "reward-punishment" system it becomes salvation and judgement

> winterphone said on 11-20-2009 at 04:28:
because it is not the thing itself that glorifies God, it is his action concerning it. he is glorified in his action and movement( loving a world that is full of hate and unworthy of anything but judgement). analogy provides a way for one to express a deeper reality in simpler terms. im not saying its perfect, or that it is universally true for all circumstances. what do you think God is? i mean this lterally, i would like to hear your view of who he is.

> mkrulic517439 said on 11-20-2009 at 00:34:
again, argument from anaology is a logical fallicy. if hell existed it would be part of god. answer this, if providence is the christian belief that all things work toward the glory of god then how can an action offend god?

> mkrulic517439 said on 11-20-2009 at 00:32:
heaven is reward, hell is punishment. this is the most famous case of reward and punishment I can think of. the problem w/ it is if all your decisions come from a place where you believe that god punishes sin then everything you do has some amount of selfish quality to it. god is not going to create a celing for moral/ethical development."please answer my q..." this is because the adult experiences the FEAR of loss. do you think this applies to god? this is a logical fallicy

> winterphone said on 11-19-2009 at 16:12:
its not really a reward punishment system. and the closest thing to it in the bible was when the pharisees tryed to earn their way into heaven based on works. the bible is completely against what you are saying. saints do works from the love that God placed in their hearts. if you give money to the poor only because you want to recieve more in return, you are living by works and wont recieve anything but judgement anyways. in that sense you are completely right,

> winterphone said on 11-19-2009 at 16:02:
please answer my question, if your child desperately wants to drink poison, would you call it unloving to stop him? Love protects. People are fools, and if a person hates you for trying to give him medicine that would save his life, because he does not appriciate the taste, i guess you weren't loving that person by trying to save them, right?

> winterphone said on 11-19-2009 at 15:58:
"how can you be absent of god when god is all there is?" darkness is the absence of light, it is nothing. In the same way when you are without God ("...when God is all there is") there is nothing but sin and death(absence of God is nothing).

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