> Sm0Ke666 said on
11-26-2009 at
18:42:
etsi re poti ma8e istoria sta paliomouna
> POTIS1 said on
11-26-2009 at
12:15:
WHY DID he as a Greek king ashimself said,TAKE REVENGE for the PERSIAN INVASION IN Greece?WHY WAS HE very PROUD OF his motherland Greece?WHY DID Megas ALEXANDROS SPREAD only GREEK LANGUAGEGreek CULTURE to every corner of his Empire?WHY DID HE BUILD Greek CITIES ONLY?Why did he say that his FATHER Filippos WAS GREEK? Why did he fight for the GLORY of motherland GREECE, CLEARLY STATED HIS PRIDE BEING A GREEK & WANTED THE BLESSINGS OF THE HELLENIC JUSTICE & PEACE OVER EVERY NATION?
> POTIS1 said on
11-26-2009 at
12:11:
Megas Alexandros verifies his father was GREEKso I guess he cant be slav, hehehehehTHIS IS IN THE MUSEUM OF VERGINAGO & SEE IT WITH UR OWN EYES""He [MEGAS ALEXANDROS] sent to Athens three hundred Persian panoplies to be set up to Athena in the acropolis; he ordered this inscription to be attached: Alexander, son of Philip the GREEK, save the Lacedaimonians, set up these spoils from the barbarians dwelling in Asia."(Arrian I, 16, 7)
> POTIS1 said on
11-26-2009 at
12:11:
Filippos, himself verified he is GreekFor on many occasions when I AND THE OTHER GREEKS sent embassies to you begging you to remove from your statutes the law empowering you to get booty from booty, you replied that you would rather remove Aetolia from Aetolia than that law [Polyvius, 18.4.8]
> POTIS1 said on
11-26-2009 at
12:10:
Men of Athens Had I not greatly AT HEART the COMMON welfare of GREECE I should not have come to tell you; but I AM MYSELF GREEK by descent & I would not willingly see Greece exchange freedom for slavery. If you prosper in this war, forget not to do something for my freedom; consider the risk I have run, out of zeal for the GREEK CAUSE, to acquaint u with what Mardonius intends, & to save u from being surprised by the barbarians. I'm ALEXANDER of MACEDON [Herodotus, The Histories, 9.45]
> POTIS1 said on
11-26-2009 at
12:08:
We have no connections with ALEXANDER THE GREATwe are SLAVS!!!.....KIRO GLIGOROV 3/6/1992 SKOPJE Ex-prime minister!watch?v=uA3kwC2YTq4
> brygianmode said on
11-26-2009 at
02:55:
. . . misled and to be honest a bit funny; the pot calling the kettle black. Anyway, VBaz77, you seem like a reasonable person and my offer stands. Just have to agree on a more suitable medium to continue this discussion, for me to present arguments and works often from the same historians you have put forward.
> brygianmode said on
11-26-2009 at
02:50:
culture or customs. I guess in relation to the Ancient Macedonians and Ancient Hellenic city-state, we will at best agree to disagree. With relation to current, contemporary discussions. If you believe in the 'history' that Slavs migrated in the 5th/6th century AD, then you would have to accept that they did not suddenly stop at the current Greek border. They 'flooded' all of mainland Greece and even made their way to the islands. So, all of the name calling in some other posts is a little...
> brygianmode said on
11-26-2009 at
02:35:
rituals, methods of governance etc. Further, as it relates to this site there is evidence of a different an unique music. With reference to 1832, I am referring to 'Greek Independence Day' and that it celebrates 'freedom' and the formation of new state, one without Macedonia. I dont totally follow you argument on Hebrew culture . . . I think the problem with the middle east is that the Israeli state does not except the claim/s of the Palestinians, they certain dont wish to claim any Muslim . . .
> brygianmode said on
11-26-2009 at
02:28:
Will be happy to! However, this is certainly not the medium to be discussing, if not for anything else, than for the word limit. Personally, I don't agree with the point that word Macedonia is of Hellenic origin, documented by the Hellenes, yes. I have been stating all along the Ancient Macedonian people spoke Macedonian, whilst the 'ruling' class would have been proficient in Hellenic; as is the case in many instances in history. The Ancient Macedonians had their own Gods, costumes and . . .
> VBaz77 said on
11-26-2009 at
01:11:
...because Hebrews occupied the area around Palestine/Israel in ancient times, they also have a claim on Muslim culture (apart from their own Hebrew territorial/cultural claims, that is). This argument is at least irrational. Regarding the 1832 argument, you seem to be misinformed. Those "free" parts of Greece (by "free" I mean, free from Ottoman rule) were incorporated in the new republic. This has nothing to do with cultural/historic separations, because these simply dont exist...
> VBaz77 said on
11-26-2009 at
01:05:
Well, please enlighten me then by naming your sources. What you are saying is news to me. Alexander spoke Greek and your "well-documented" claim strikes me at least as...not credible. Also, you must realize that "Makednos" is a Greek entity or idea...and what I mean by Greek refers to language and culture (just as it can be argued that the Romans are a continuation of the Greeks). This has nothing to do with Vardar, or other Bulgarian connotations. Your argument seems equivalent to saying that..
> kostas67reth said on
11-25-2009 at
23:09:
shut up malaka, do you have problems to read and understand english majmun?
> uryramone13 said on
11-25-2009 at
19:47:
Alexandre el Gran was Macedonin, but he's father invaded the Greeks polis in an inasbility mement of Grecia. But he was MACEDONIAN no Greek, like the Spanish who're invading Catalunya(my country), they're SSpanish, never Catalans. Fins a la victòria SEMPRE!
> brygianmode said on
11-25-2009 at
18:42:
If Macedonia is as you claim 'Greek', then why did the Modern Greek State declare independence in 1832 without Macedonia. The majority of the population viewed themselves as Macedonian and culturally different to the Hellenes. Also, I have quotes form Herodotus, Plutarch, Diodorus, Isocrates, Demosthenes, Polybius, Arrian etc all that state that the Ancient Macedonians were a different people, i.e. culturally to those of the Hellenic city-states.
> brygianmode said on
11-25-2009 at
18:33:
I guess this is where we disagree. Firstly, it is very well documented that they spoke a different language to the Hellens. Secondly, it is excepted that Herodotus has made many inaccurate claims on various historical 'facts'. Further, the Paeonians were a Macedonian tribe. Tito did not create a people out of thin air; its comical to even consider this. But most importantly, Modern Greece only 'incorporate' a region of Macedonian in 1913.
> VBaz77 said on
11-25-2009 at
06:57:
I'm not sure what history you are referring to. To correct: the "Macedonian" people who lived approximately in modern-day Macedonia (i.e. northern Greece) spoke Hellenic and were considered Hellenes. You will find this if you read Herodotus, who I am sure you will find to be without modern-day bias, for obvious reasons. The people over the mountains bordering Northern Greece were referred to as "Paeonians". The issue of "Macedonia" today has been raised only because Tito decided it should be so.
> brygianmode said on
11-25-2009 at
00:36:
You fail to realise that Ancient Macedonia was never a city-state. Further, the Ancient Macedonia had a separate culture, worship different gods, and spoke a different language to the Hellenes. They were MACEDONIAN. If Alexander of Macedon was a Hellenic, then why did over 50 000 soldiers from the Hellenic city-states fight with Darius against Alexander? He was and was seen as a conquer of the Hellenes, they would rather be ruled by the Persians. Read history, not government political propoganda
> brygianmode said on
11-25-2009 at
00:36:
You fail to realise that Ancient Macedonia was never a city-state. Further, the Ancient Macedonia had a separate culture, worship different gods, and spoke a different language to the Hellenes. They were MACEDONIAN. If Alexander of Macedon was a Hellenic, then why did over 50 000 soldiers from the Hellenic city-states fight with Darius against Alexander? He was and was seen as a conquer of the Hellenes, they would rather be ruled by the Persians. Read history, not government political propoganda
> metallicabillxxx said on
11-24-2009 at
18:25:
Homos were baned in ancient Greece.I read that persians were kissed in the mouth, man to man.