I have closed the comments for now as it was becoming a mess. People justifiably want to discuss vax/autism in detail, but the commenting format with limitations is not the place for this complicated debate and trying to do it here is making me nuts.Please leave your comments about the video on the comments section of my blog where the video was originally posted, where linear and exhaustive commenting, with linking to source material can take place. The link is in the description above.

My father contracted polio at the height of the epidemic and made a full recovery. He was 1 in 3,000. His father died from polio shortly after... he was 1 in 60,000 for loosing his life to the disease.My son is part of the 1 percent that has ASD and the 16 percent with dev. problems. Yet we are still considering viruses the biggest threat to kids?CDC (and you) seem to have no interest in this horrible trend.

Bat... are you going to show up at my house and help me care for my son? If you are not assuming my risk, then why exactly should I make my son assume you risk?ASD is around 1 percent of the population in children. Developmental delay/disability is now 1 in 6 children.... NEVER in our history was the risk that high for children getting permanent damage or dying from communicable illnesses... much less today.

also... there are lots of cases of mito autism that will be coming through the VCIP pipline. After the Poling decision people started getting their kids tested for mito dysfunction. They are finding it.To my knowlege, HHS is NOT looking for it in our kids. If that actually wanted to know if it was rare... wouldn't they be studying it?Instead the just canceled a whole slate of vaccine/autism research.

And yet it would be silly to see someone with both and claim that what caused the dementia didn't cause the Alzheimer's or vice versa.But that is not analogous to what we are talking about. The symptoms of encp are not a subset of autism, they are an alternate description of the same phenomena.

...for untold numbers of children, the symptoms of 'autism' and symptoms of 'vaccine encepalopathy' are merely two different descriptions of the exact same phenomena. The 'encp.' description is simply more vague than the 'autism' description.Oh... and the HHS encp guidelines also say that it is also often accompanied by seizures... almost a third of people with "autism" have seizures.

Yes Bat, the symptoms of autism equal autism.Autism is SOLELY defined by behavioral symptoms. All three symptoms that HHS defines as symptoms of vaccine induced encepalopathy are symptoms of autism.1. loss of eye contact2. non responsive except to loud shouting3. seems disconnected from the world around themTHAT is the description of a child with autism. THAT was the description of my son when his doc dx him with 'autism'...

To the contrary... as reported in the above video, the CDC's own internal discussions put the likelyhood of having this mito problem at 2 percent of the population!NOT RARE!

And Gerberding CANNOT claim that what Hanna has is "rare" because they have never looked for it to see how 'rare' it is!My son has the same story as Hannah, but no doc has ever tested him for mito dysfunction... because docs don't test children with autism for anything!So if you and CDC want to make the 'rare' claim, so me a study of a big group of kids who regressed following vax, who have all had muscle biopsies to see how many have mito dysfunction!

BAT... Listen carefully... Hannah Poling has autism... Her "autism" and her "autism like symptoms" are the exact same thing.There is so such diagnosis as "Features of ASD" Hannah has 299.00 AUTISM! Autism is a behavioral disorder solely diagnosed by its symptoms...IF YOU HAVE THE SYMPTOMS OF AUTISM - YES.. YOU HAVE AUTISM!Are you suggesting that vaccines caused her autism symptoms, but not her Autism?

I just want to appologize to you sketoid,I believe in vaccines too,just not for me or my family,but for you it is fine. Use them and stay healthy.Bless You!!

It gives a clear diagnosis, which is not Autism. No matter how many times you say it or want it to be so, they are not the same thing. She said that this case was rare, because it was a rare case (only 4 similar cases of this mito dis. are known as I recall). Perhaps they should clarify the statement, but I believe the intent was to point out the differences between this condition and autism and point out that it was NOT that diagnosis though it may present similarly.

symptoms of autism does not equal autism. There are many symptoms of many conditions that are similar. Alzheimer's does not equal dementia, although Alzheimer's patients suffer symptoms of dementia.

From the concession document:"DVIC has concluded that the facts of this case meet the statutory criteria for demonstrating that the vaccinations CHILD received on July 19, 2000, significantly aggravated an underlying mitochondrial disorder, which predisposed her to deficits in cellular energy metabolism, and manifested as a regressive encephalopathy with features of autism spectrum disorder."

"Its a mito. disorder resulting in encephalitis"You forgot the last part of the judgment:...which resulted in the "symptoms of autism".so mito+vaccines=encep.=autism!

My questions may have been lost in the shuffle:Why, if CDC truly does not believe that vaccines can cause "autism" would Gerberding make so stupid a statement as she does in the video that vaccines can cause the symptosm of autism and then turn around and say vaccines don't cause autism. She says it is "rare" then she says it doesn't happen.so in her head 1=0

You get no SSDI? Have you applied?I have stated repeatedly that it is unfortunate that it takes as long as it does, but it is the cost of living in this society. It is the same process that keeps you of jail if you are accused of hurting your kid (theoretically) if someone said that it was your fault. Would you prefer summary judgment? I doubt very seriously that would benefit the majority, as most relevant proof arises later.

The Court is not an HHS employee. They are separate branches of the gov. Do you think all the members of Congress agree with all the members of the Exec? Do all the members of the Supreme Court agree on anything? Repeatedly the court has come out on plaintiffs' sides, lowering the necessity for burden of proof as even Tenpenny acknowledges.Would you prefer the regular courts & their burden of proof & the legal appeals available. It'll make a couple of years seem like days in comparison.

Do not vaccinate at your own risk and everyone else's!

What it means is that you have to give a biologically plausible theory, which is,again. well short of what they will have to prove in a standard court. In that manner, it is far more compassionate. Further, even unsuccessful claims are often reimbursed for legal fees if they were not deemed frivolous.Meanwhile the court has paid out something like $1.8 billion in claims in 20 years. Hardly putting people out on their own.