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Video: 9/11 Debate: Loose Change vs. Popular Mechanics pt. 4
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Description: September 11, 2001 - five years after the attacks many people are asking questions about what happened on that day in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania. Websites, articles, books and documentaries have put forward a variety of alternate theories to the government's account of what happened. The most popular of these is a documentary called "Loose Change." Now, a book dealing with many of these...
Duration: 4 seconds
Date: MiƩ 12-31-1969 18:00
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Tags: 911 9/11 democracy now democracynow amy goodman
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> JihadiTV said on 11-29-2009 at 23:44:
Are you kidding? Did you never hear that expression before, i.e. "You're the first to insult someone", it not to be taken literal.The point is America points the finger yet MASS MURDERED populations in every war it got into; cost of war? What was the reason behind Vietnam? Iraq? to kill rape and murder?

> chodemaster2009 said on 11-29-2009 at 23:44:
say, than please, by all means, get the fuck out. There are thousands of people willing to take your spot. If you can't respect our nation, than you shouldn't enjoy our freedoms, our safety, and our security. By not respecting this country, your disrespecting everyone who served or died in the armed forces. Your a joke.

> chodemaster2009 said on 11-29-2009 at 23:42:
Really? You mean to say that we were the first nation to kill people? Hmm that sounds like a far stretch. Where are these millions of innocents we have killed in the last half century? Have we killed innocent people? Yes. That is a cost of war. But we are not the only nation to do so, and you make it seem as if we kill enemy civilians the same way Hitler killed the Jews or Stalin killed his own people. If you want to live in some socialist, European country, where life is oh so grand as you

> JihadiTV said on 11-29-2009 at 23:34:
I live in the USA, born and raised. Go check life in other countries before you start ranting on how great the USA is, its by far nothing to be jealous over.My posts were made simple, America is the first to mass kill huge populations of people. Literally millions in the last 50 years, just do your homework and you'll know. I have no respect for a nation like this.

> chodemaster2009 said on 11-29-2009 at 23:32:
Clearly you are just angry/jealous of the country in which we live. We didn't come on here hating on your nation (wherever that may be), so i don't understand why you are so hostile towards ours?

> JihadiTV said on 11-29-2009 at 23:26:
God bless a secular based country? Ah, the oxymorons.

> chodemaster2009 said on 11-29-2009 at 23:25:
No they were far from ready, they were willing to sacrifice every man, woman, and child rather than admit defeat. I agree with Joeofiowa...no nation is perfect. But I have lived a damn good life here, enjoying my freedoms and America itself. Everything we have, everything we are allowed to do...our rich history, our landmarks, our technology, our materials, our way of life. I wouldn't trade it for anything.GOD BLESS AMERICA.

> Joeofiowa said on 11-29-2009 at 22:01:
Be reasonable. We have one of the lowest tax burdens of all industrialized countries. And your list of "freedoms" covers only a small fraction. We both know you are exaggerating and spouting poorly thought-out trash, so please either say something reasonable or stop talking.I have lived a happy, fulfilled life in this country largely because of the freedoms that it offers. I've seen it bring MANY people real happiness. It is certainly not perfect, but what government is?

> JihadiTV said on 11-29-2009 at 19:45:
I'm trying to wrap my head around this, did you just say "Bamboo sticks", that was a LAST DITCH EFFORT IF THE AMERICANS LANDED ON SHORE. The Japanese DID NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES TO LAUNCH A COUNTER ATTACK, simple as that.And once again they surrendered, or were ready to sign the surrender agreement. Dont be foolish everyone.

> panzerny said on 11-29-2009 at 16:31:
they aren't defending any 'murderers', they are just presenting solid scientific evidence. They aren't discussing with the political bullshit, they just adjust basic physics to what the halucinatory conspiracist say.

> panzerny said on 11-29-2009 at 16:30:
a-bomb was necessary. There were actually plans of arming 20 million civilians with bamboo sticks and launching a counter attack with them on the landing american forces. 1/3 of the american soldiers would've died before reaching the coast. It would be a much bigger massacre. And a-bombs are overrated, carpet bombing wasn't much less effective. Tokio was bombed with a conventional attack and 125 000 people died. In Dresden there were more or less as much deaths as in Hiroshima...

> chodemaster2009 said on 11-29-2009 at 06:00:
No, Japan was far from surrender. The Imperial Government themselves issued this statement, "We can no longer direct the war with any hope of success. The only course left is for Japan's one hundred million people to sacrifice their lives by charging the enemy to make them lose the will to fight." Read up on Operation Ketsu-Go. Japan would not give up until every possible defense had been exhausted. The bombs were necessary, to the utmost degree.

> JihadiTV said on 11-29-2009 at 03:39:
A-Bomb was necessary? Killing 200k Japanese civilians was necessary? Besides the fact Japan surrendered prior to this (research basic history) would you also agree if Iraq made a preemptive strike and killed 200k Americans, is that necessary because that would have saved them millions of lives.The A-Bomb was the start of the Cold war, they didnt use it to WIN they used it to scare USSR, Japan surrendered before they dropped it. And what about Napalm, Agent Orange, Firebombing? Necessary?

> JihadiTV said on 11-29-2009 at 03:36:
When I say "America" I don't say "Americans" I feel bad for Americans, jeez they got so duped. Like you get taxed out the arse, no real freedom except you can be gay and hate on politicians, religion, God, and so on, but in all honesty I haven't seen that bring anyone real happiness.Change can't come without changing the system, Ron Paul might have helped, but like we saw the media drowned him out. I dont see hope for America.

> Joeofiowa said on 11-28-2009 at 06:43:
@JihadiTV How can you wrap 300 million people into one category and call them "evil?" As an American, I disagree with many of the actions my government has taken, and I would go so far as to call some of them evil. But you should take people one at a time. As a United States citizen, I am doing my best to change our country for the better, as are millions of others. Please respect that. No nation is perfect.

> chodemaster2009 said on 11-25-2009 at 22:41:
Current estimates put the death toll at 1 million, at the most, with 600,000 victims dying in a violent manner. Of those 600,000, it is estimated that 79 percent were killed by roadside bombs and insurgents.

> chodemaster2009 said on 11-25-2009 at 22:39:
Every nation has their military fallacies and immoral behavior. The atomic bombing was necessary. Don't deny that. Lose 1 million American soldiers and kill many more Japanese, or kill 200,000 enemy civilians? Its justified. The same applies to the firebombing of Dresden. The dangers of Agent Orange (or any herbicide for that matter) was unknown at the time...they had no idea it would have such a profound effect on the civilian population. Your numbers for the Iraq War are far too high.

> JihadiTV said on 11-25-2009 at 13:40:
What are you joking? "America has NEVER mass murdered innocent civilians"- WWII Atmoic Bomb; 200,000 dead- WWII Firebombing Germany; over 200,000 dead- Vietnam /w Agent Orange; 400,000 dead, 500,000 birth defects- Iraq War (Current); 2 million children dead from direct and indirect actions (Shooting to blockades on food and medications) as well as thousands of birth defected children, in one offensive on falluja 1,400 killed.I reject 9/11 conspiracies, but America is very evil.

> ajk2x said on 11-23-2009 at 03:42:
Questions are good. It's okay to be skeptical. but when presented with facts you can't IGNORE them! America has been in wars in the past.. yet we have NEVER mass murdered innocent civilians especially Americans.America isn't a perfect country... but if this hoax is true, why doesn't the government take up these three guys that made the film and 'whisk them away' into oblivion? WE WON'T because they have the freedom to express what they think even if it's totally false!

> thepeacecat said on 11-22-2009 at 20:44:
F*ck popular mechanics to hell, how can they sleep at night defending the murder of 3000 innocent people, bloody rich paid off bollocks.Independent activism truth justice forever.9-11 truth NOW!

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